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July 5, 2012

Trash-Can-Sign

Photo: Steve Thurston

We are not zoning enforcers at the Mercury, but this sign on a public trashcan looks suspicious.

I know Bernie Berne well enough to know that I ignore him at my peril. Bernie reads documents and reacts to them. I got a real taste of this when I wrote the Buckingham HeraldTrib. I followed a potential development at the corner N. Pershing Drive and N. Glebe Road where a couple 1970s-era buildings would be torn down and replaced with a couple retail/apartment mixed-use buildings.

Bernie pretty much killed it single-handedly after the compnay, Georgetown Strategic, had spent months proposing and editing plans. Bernie pointed out to the Design Review Committee that open space meant for the community had become a courtyard on the second floor, intended for the use of the residents of the apartment. That was the beginning of the end for the project.

So when Bernie twice called the Merc's reporting on the sign ordinance "wrong" (see the comments on this story), I had to look into it. He brings up two points, and I could have been more clear on one, but he is wrong (a bit) on the other.

In one story, I wrote: "People can post temporary signs on places like telephone poles for the purposes of directing others to an event or to ask for help finding a lost pet."

After speaking with county staffer Deborah Albert, who has been handling the sign ordinance for the county, I figured out where I was unclear: the county does not own the utility poles.

I should have written that the county can regulate what the owner of the pole puts on the pole, but can the county regulate a third party putting a sign on a utility pole? That gets tough.

Think of it this way: if a neighbor puts a "Vote for Pedro" sign on your lawn, you can remove it, but can the county? 

It's a similar situation with utility poles: people who lose cats, haul junk, or buy houses in any condition, can place the signs without once asking Dominion Power for permission. How is it regulated? Who would zoning enforcement cite? Who gets in trouble for that sort of thing? The power company did not place the sign.

I'd bet that county enforcers could tear the sign down, but telling the property owner that they cannot put "lost cat" signs on their utility poles is silly given the fact that Dominion Power hasn't lost a cat in years!

So I could have been more clear there.

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I'm happy to hear that some serious rersaech is being done by people such as you Marcy. Our academics in Education need to pick up this critical shift in parental behaviour and find out why it is happening and explain it for us in some definitive terms.My main fear is that we will end up with a society somewhat similar to that in Mexico, for example, where the gap between rich and poor is significant and perpetuated by the sad state of public education. All the wealthy folk live up on the hill in secure compounds, with their children chauffeured to private schools while the children of the poor are forced to beg and work to survive while living down below in sub standard housing. I don't think it's too big a stretch to see this possibility here when we look back and see where we are now on this continuum. Our middle class is disappearing fast and the gap is widening between the have and have nots. This includes schools. Ten years ago when I was working I was part of this. I was fortunate enough to be in a Have school where fund raising and support were easy to come by. Parents moving here bought homes near my school so that their kids could attend it. Across town in the downtown area, the school was about the same size so it received the same funding but they had much less in the way of resources and materials for teachers and students. This deficit was compounded by the additional demands placed on the school by having to try and meet the needs of kids from dysfunctional and poverty stricken homes. So unfair. The Fraser Institute would have us believe that with better teachers and more effort schools like this one could do as well as the one I was in. Once again so unfair and so demoralizing.

Aybek 134 days ago

New draft sign ordinance: signs on utility poles and removal of illegal signs

A revised draft Section 34 (Signs) of the Arlington County Zoning Ordinance,
dated 5 July 2012 addresses the issues that my previous message discussed by adding the following new provisions to the ordinance:

Regarding signs on utility poles (page 45):

Section 34.10.B.2 (Temporary signs placed by private parties in the public-right-of-way: Location) "Nothing in this provision shall be construed to authorize the posting of signs upon utility poles, ... "

Regarding the ability of County staff to remove illegal sign (pages 45-46):

Section 34.10.F. (Temporary signs placed by private parties in the public-right-of-way: Other signs): "If any sign other than those allowed by this section and/or by an encroachment ordinance or permit granted by Arlington County is placed in, on or over the public right-of-way, it shall be deemed abandoned and may be removed by the County without notice or other process ....."

Private parties, such as Dominion Power, own some types of utility poles. Some utility poles are in the public-right-of-way. It appears that the County will retain its authority to remove illegal signs from these poles. However, nobody else will be able to legally remove the signs.

If the County does not remove an illegal sign, the sign will remain in place until it deteriorates or until a private party or individual risks prosecution by removing it.


Bernie Berne 319 days ago

You are correct!

My apologies! I will fix it when I am near a real computer.

Steve thurston 319 days ago

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Dear Mr. Thurston,
One small correction to your article "Comments on Comments: Bernie Berne" - I believe the County staffer working on the Sign Ordinance is Deborah Albert.
Best,
David C (a colleague of Deborah Albert).

David Cristeal 319 days ago

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