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May 18, 2012

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Photo: Courtesy Leah Maderal

A two-car accident near a school bus stop in Maywood has residents there asking what has to happen before the county will install a four-way stop. No one was hurt in the accident.

Update (May 18, 12:20): County staff corrected an earlier mistyped statement. The years studied for accidents have been corrected. --Editor.

A two-car accident took out a fence near a school bus stop in the Maywood neighborhood yesterday morning. Although no one was hurt in the accident and police did not issue citations, residents are crying foul over an intersection they say is dangerous.

The intersection of N. 21st Avenue and N. Monroe Street is zoned 25 mph, and looks as sleepy as the rest of this historic neighborhood. But residents say it is a commuter cut-through, and with condominiums under construction just a block away, they fear the increased traffic will only create more accidents.

Leah Maderal who lives nearby said she did not see the accident and does not blame either driver: The intersection is the problem. Monroe Street and others connect Lee Hwy to N. Lorcom Lane, and from there to Spout Run and the G.W. Parkway. People driving along N. 21st have stop signs, while Monroe Street does not.

It is dangerous even when everyone is trying to follow the rules, she said. She and other neighbors are worried about the children who play in the area, and school buses for several schools stop at that corner.

She said a neighbor was driving one of the cars that was in yesterday’s accident. Though she did not see him yesterday morning, she has seen him many times drive through that intersection.

“He stops, and he does the ‘ooch’,” she said. The “ooch” is when a driver stops at the sign and then creeps out, little-by-little, into the intersection to look for traffic. By the time the driver is out far enough to see oncoming traffic, the car is also in harm’s way, she said.

Although a tree is in the way on one corner, both Maderal and neighbor Jim Anderson said the stop signs are back too far. Trees or no, seeing fully into the intersection from the stop sign is impossible. Plus, the streets do not meet at a perfect crossing. Northbound Monroe jogs just slightly to the left as it crosses over 21st Avenue.

“People who live here know it’s dangerous,” Maderal said.

Anderson, who lives on that corner, said the intersection gets a lot of cut-through commuter traffic. He said he has seen cars speed through that street regularly. He said he has heard about county reports and studies that recommend against a four-way stop, “but it doesn’t mean they’re right,” he said.

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This intersection is terrifying and needs attention

The problem with the intersection is not the amount nor speed of traffic, the problem is that, due to the configuration of the street corners, it is impossible to see the oncoming cars (who do not have a stop sign) until your car is in the intersection ready to be hit. I am scared every day when I drive through this intersection. It is a unique case and not something you can apply statistics to. A stop sign would greatly improve this situation.

Marti Welman 359 days ago

In case someone is interested in a long summary with references

The article is a reasonable length. You might consider reading through it to at least get a better idea of the traffic engineer's point.

http://www.ite.org/traffic/documents/tcir0053.pdf

Geof Gee 363 days ago

Not so simple

I'm not intimate with the neighborhood -- I used to cycle through there to connect to the Custis Trail -- on a daily basis, but broadly speaking there are reasons to avoid more stop signs. There is a whole literature on it and I'm glad that Arlington is taking a scientific approach to the situation. Here is a summary from a quick Google search.

http://www.fcgov.com/traffic/pdf/ntsp-stop.pdf

I certainly agree with the philosophy that neighborhood vehicular traffic should be slow, but stop signs are broadly overused here. Consequently, many drivers pay less attention to them and, in cases where it's really over the top, drivers perversely drive more aggressively between stop signs. Perhaps this really is a situation where a stop sign would improve the situation; but it is far from obvious based on the information in the article.

Geof Gee 363 days ago

Simple safety

There are four way stop signs all through old town Alexandria. All cars stop and you can see oncoming traffic. There is a four-way stop at Stafford and 15th just before W-L. Again, cars stop and take turns. It calms the flow of traffic far more effectively (AND CHEAPLY) than the bump out curb which pushes you into traffic as you turn from Monroe onto 21st. I scooch out every morning to cross Monroe St. - it is a dangerous intersection. What is the big deal about adding two stop signs?!

Barbara Brown more than 1 years ago

Agree 100% With Residents

Agree with all other Maywood residents 100%; a stop sign is needed. If that accident had occurred 20 minutes later, kids who go to Taylor, Drew, and Key would have been standing on all corners waiting for the bus. Of course it will be difficult to prove in retrospect that a stop sign would have prevented the accident, but that argument seems pretty weak to me. Stop signs would slow thru traffic, period. And that is what we need. How could erecting two stop signs do anything but improve the situation?

Leslie Anderson more than 1 years ago

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